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graykat777 Moderator Posts: 175
1/17/2015
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I'm not sure if you who are reading this are aware of my comments regarding how rules have been treated in the 10 or so years of league play. If not, here's a short report: When rules go awry, I complain.
http://www.arizonafoosball.com/Forums/JitBit/messages.aspx?TopicID=884
Not going to complain today. I do however want to comment on some rules treatments I have experienced in this season's leagues.
This season, I have run into teams that desperately hold all pro-tournament rules in play during each league game. On the contrary, I have run into teams that reject all rules and have threatened me when I attempt to call them by any rule. I can't tell you how frustrating this has been especially since this season I am in the position of not only playing, but mentoring.
The rules obsessions; strict or loose, can be really confusing and I find myself dissecting and explaining how people use rules to their advantage and subsequently how we, as a team, should not. I feel taking advantage of rules for ones own personal gain is unethical. Also, this philosophy is contrary to the leagues' goal: get more players involved.
So here is my plea: If you break any rule, bust yourself and explain why. If we break a rule, and you feel like you need to call us on it, please be patient and explain it to us. For the remainder of this season, for my team, we will be giving you the benefit of a doubt. Perhaps going forward, we can all do this.
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Casey Nelson Phoenix, AZ Foosball Tornado
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Jesse Rhode Administrator Posts: 307
1/18/2015
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I really just need to know one thing about this post (already replied to your other post in league chat), what do you mean by threatened? Because, if you were threatened with violence, then there is going to be some major changes in how we will address this situation as league administrators. Give me a call.
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chambie Moderator Posts: 755
1/18/2015
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Casey -
It is interesting you bring this up as I have seen more of this in tournament play as well. As we move forward I have personally decided to adopt the mentality of...the rules are the rules.
I have been asked to ref more than usually lately and have not had a very good idea what all the rules and calls should be, however I have taken it upon myself to educate my self and become more familiar with all the rules. http://www.foosball.com/learn/rules/ustsa/
I honestly believe that we, meaning Arizona Foosball and all the players, need to take a more strict stance when playing the game for several reasons. First off these are cash games and should be treated as such. There are reasons why the rules are what they are and they should be respected. Also if players play outside Arizona they need to be prepared and educated on what the rules are and how to properly follow them.
With that said I am asking that all players attending the Cactus Moon tournies to make sure they are acquainted with the rules and begin to self officiate as Casey suggested. As the TD I will begin to strictly enforce game time limits such as time outs, and starting matches in a timely manner. I will ask that experienced players begin to call the beginner and rookie players on their infractions. I typically do not and try to teach them when I have a chance, however as an athlete losing a possession or two, serves as a better teacher than reminding them of the rule and then letting them get away with it.
I really have to thank Brian S for making me more aware of this. Hopefully everyone will take it upon themselves to learn the rules and show some sportsmanship by calling themselves on them even when it is very tough to do so.
Respectfully,
Brad
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chambie Moderator Posts: 755
1/18/2015
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Jessie posted this in another fourm and since it involves more than league I thought it should be here as well...
Casey,
You are absolutely correct in this matter. Once a match starts, the adherence to the rules is highly important in order to improve. Sure, there are times that issues come up that all of us can understand and leeway is granted. However, timeouts are a crucial aspect of the game. The importance of them is often overlooked by many players. When to call them, why, and what the rule actually is are HIGHLY critical skills to learn and utilize.
It is well known that some players play much faster than others. This is an aspect of their game that often works towards that players advantage. I, for example, play fast. When I do so, and when I'm on a roll, a smart opposing team may call timeouts just to throw me out of my rhythm. At the same time, and in consideration of this fact, I am often highly cognizant of the time being taken away from me and pay attention to the 30 second rule. "They" called the timeout to cool me off, but I am not going to simply allow "them" to wallow around past the 30 second rule while they strategize. Well, to be perfectly honest, I usually give it 60 seconds prior to saying anything since 30 seconds seems awful short for a timeout (just my opinion).
On the other hand, there are players that simply play slow and methodical. This is one of them situations that is difficult for players such as myself. And, to clarify, I firmly believe there is nothing wrong with this style of play as it is extremely effective against fast players. However, when this occurs, I tend to pay extra attention to the timeout rule as the juxtaposition of play styles becomes highly relevant to the eventual winner.
Look, it is really quite simple. Even in league, everyone should be doing their utmost to follow the rules. This is the ONLY way to improve all aspects of ones game. That being said, no one needs to be an asshole about it. But, if someone starts calling rules, then ALL rules should come into effect from that point forward. Pull out a smartphone, have one player from each team managing the device, and let the games commence. If there is a mentoring situation, then explain what is occurring as it happens while maintaining adherence to the rules as much as possible.
I don't know whom you played Casey. Nor do I know if what you are saying could be seen in a different light by your opponents in this particular situation. But, once issues concerning rules are brought up in a contentious manner, then it becomes paramount for all parties involved to find the most effective method to diffuse the situation. And, in my opinion, the most effective means to address the situation is to abide by all rules from that point forward in a joint manner.
Jesse
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chambie Moderator Posts: 755
1/18/2015
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Here is a better more up to date copy of the rules.....
http://www.table-soccer.org/rules/documents/ITSFRulesEnglish.pdf
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beersandlongs Posts: 4
1/19/2015
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rules clinic at 2pm and 6 or 7 the day of league finals
we will do this as quick as possible and go over the four major problems - anyone interested should read at least these sections in the rules prior to showing up
--jar
--reset
--distraction
--delay of game
it will be free and fun
peace
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BillyBoy Administrator Posts: 1400
1/19/2015
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Some great points here 
@Brad - I like your take and ideas on rules & officiating moving forward
@Brian - I think your rules clinic is a bad ass idea, and it's very cool of you to do this at the Foos Bowl
@Jesse - your comments here and in the league section are not only appropriate/relevant to the present situation, but informative on their own in the general sense
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Phill Tran Posts: 2
1/22/2015
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Newbie here -
I appreciate all the help from everyone I have played with (CactusMoon) and against (league play), and people calling me on any rules infractions that may occur. Like Brad said, I don't want anyone to say "Hey, you just did ______, and it's against the rules, but go ahead play on." I would rather lose possession, and learn from the mistake. It's one possession, life goes on. I'd rather learn and play fairly than play incorrectly, and then mess up in a tournament to lose a tournament match for my team. Cheers folks! This first season has been a blast so far. And yes, I'm still struggling to make it past my .7 rating. C'mon 1.0!!!!!!
- phill (slo rollers)
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There's always next year..
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