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chambie Moderator Posts: 755
1/30/2015
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Hey all just a reminder it is the 5th Friday of the month meaning the return of the Handicap BYP at the moon. We use the chip system. Pros - 0, Ex - 1, Am - 2, Beg - 3.
So a Pro/EX team gets 1 chip where a Beg/Beg team gets 6. Meaning if they play each other the Beg/Beg team gets 5 chips. Chips can be traded for points. Max of two per game. Chips may be used during the start of a point or during a time out called by the team with the chips. Use of chips does not affect possession at all.
Hope to see you all on this rainy day.
Brad
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joe_3 Posts: 14
1/30/2015
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I thought it was changed so you could not use it during a time out. Only at the start of a point. Some jackass used to call time out on the 3 take the 4th point as a freebie and then score to win the game and everyone got butthurt.
It would be nice it you guys could keep these things straight and not be changing the rules all the time.
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chambie Moderator Posts: 755
1/30/2015
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Mike -
I do not recall making that change. The last change I made to this event was not allowing teams to take the point to win the game.
I think changing that rule in the manner you described would benefit the stronger players. Since these players generally do rather well in this format I see no reason to change the rules for their benefit.
When I do make a rule change I try to get as many opinions as I can as to not make the change as a knee jerk reaction where the solution is worse than the original problem. I only posted the rules tonight as a reminder since we only play this event about once every three months at the moon.
Nice to see you out the other night, hope you consider playing more often.
Brad
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BillyBoy Administrator Posts: 1400
1/31/2015
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@Mike - You might have got that notion from the change in the player cards at Stingers, which work similarly to the chips. Such a move was originally allowed with the Stingers cards. I thought the option was kind of cool, myself, but since it caused 2-3 fights a night for six consecutive months we acquiesced for public safety concerns.
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joe_3 Posts: 14
1/31/2015
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Actually I got that idea from the description on the coming events [more] link that says only at the start of a point. Just like I got the idea that you can use up to 2 point a game from Brad's post, but then at the tournament heard it stated that is only if you have 4 or more handicap, then that changed to 3 or more handicap.
Obviously it doesn't affect me because I already don't play because of these kinds of inconsistencies (among other things), but this is the kind of thing (inconsistency) that makes players not want to come back.
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deadbar Posts: 18
1/31/2015
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worst tournament I ever seen! Not even foosball anymore!! Go up 4-2 opponent gets ball on 3 bar calls timeout , takes two points slops another one in. 5 slop goals and you lose, disgraceful!
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chambie Moderator Posts: 755
1/31/2015
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Interesting comments from everyone. I appreciate the discussion on an open forum and i want to respond to everyone.
Mike you make some good points and since i only run this event once every three months and dont have all the rules for this event written down that is my fault and i will fix that this weekend. However this event and rules regarding it have been developed as i have learned from previous events and from player input. The major complaint when we first began was teams with a large advantage in chips were taking 3 and 4 points per game. This lead to multiple complaints which directly lead to limiting the number of points per game a team can take. We originally allowed teams to take points to win a game but not the match. We eliminated this again due to multiple complaints and replaces it with the ability to take points on a time out but not to win a game or a match. My main point here is that i do hear the complaints and try my best to keep it fair however sometimes we need to live with the lesser of two evils.
The handicapped event is popular amongst the players and gives the less experiences players and opportunity to compete and the results of these events bear that out. Last night two beginners were a point away from playing for king seat. Paul L and Mark played well and Paul won his first tournament at my expense!
Pat sorry you feel the way you do about it however that us the nature of the beast, now i am willing to discuss ways to make it better for everyone and make it fair but provide some constructive crcriticism and not just complaints.
Bottom line foos in AZ is continuing grow and expand so we mustbe doing something right. If you dont like the handicap format dont play. If you do play, play within the established rules and suggest changes you feel will improve the event.
Considering the posts on this board and the comments i heard here is what i plan on doing.
First i will work with bill to make sure that all the information regarding cactum moon events is accurate and updated on the website.
I will solict input from the foosball community regarding handicap events and see if i can come up with a better format.
Bill and i are working together by using both netfoos ELO and a new system using all azfoosball tourney results to come up with an accurate point system for ranking players.
I will conti ue to listen to and consider all your posts and comments to make foos better in az.
I think we all need to remember the lean times in az where we only had one dyp a week and were lucky to attract 5 teams. I appreciate all the support for foos and the work that Billy, Jesse, Kenny, Age, Mike L and so many others that have done to keep foos alive and well in AZ.
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joe_3 Posts: 14
1/31/2015
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Brad, as we discussed at the tourney the take a point on a timeout is just too big of an advantage to better players playing with "beginners". That was demonstrated more than once last night and obviously discourages players from playing in these events. Either taking a free point should result in the opponents drop or it can only happen before a point starts. Those mitigate the advantage to good players but really don't impact lower ranked players.
There was a reason that the technical foul rule was changed so that a player can't score the technical then get another shot on the 3 bar. That double is just too much of an advantage. Allowing someone to call time out on the 3 when they are a high percentage shooter and take a free point then score a shot on the 3 is too much of an advantage. And the 3 point swing allowed last night is very unfair.
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