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graykat777 Moderator Posts: 175
8/25/2011
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We (I) had an discussion (argument) regarding spinning the rod. The two of us agreed that the rod was spun, but could not agree on where the ball was to be placed.
Here's the scoop, and please anybody watching this at our league match last night chime in if I describe it incorrectly. So, the goalie had the ball and was clearing. He shot but spun (we agreed) but I said the spot at his 2 rod was the "site of the occurrence" , he disagreed and said that where the ball ended up (after some bouncing around it was on his 3rod) is the "site of occurrence". So his ruling was to give the ball to the opponent on the 5. My ruling as that the ball goes back to the opponents 3. Our discussion centered around if the spin infraction immediatly stops play.
I found this discussion on the foosball board from 2010:
http://foosballboard.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6640&highlight=spin
Please feel free to chime in!
<em>edited by graykat777 on 8/25/2011</em>
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Casey Nelson Phoenix, AZ Foosball Tornado
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BillyBoy Administrator Posts: 1402
8/25/2011
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The rules say "If a ball is advanced by an illegal spin the opposing team will have the option of continuing play from the current position or to serve the ball. "
Without any further explanation one must assume this simply means "wherever the ball is" and does not imply that a player can physically pick it up or stop the ball "wherever it is" (bouncing, rolling, etc.) and play it from THERE. That is, the opposing team can either "play on", or stop play and take it on his/her five.
The only thing that seems in question here (but doesn't seem to apply to your situation last night) is how long the opposing team has to claim the ball on their five. Obviously, if they make a play on it, it is obvious; but what if they let it roll around and let the other team swing at it?
Zeke's explanation at the end of that thread makes sense, as well.
<em>edited by BillyBoy on 8/25/2011</em>
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graykat777 Moderator Posts: 175
8/25/2011
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The article to which I linked mentions "the old rules". The old rules further defines the the instance. The definition, as I had known it for many years, is that the spin infraction stops play. Right now. It does not stop play "as soon as somebody can possibly stop the ball", which was the definition my opponent claimed.
I claim that play stops as soon as a spin is called. I mean, it's like a table jar where the play stops immediatly upon the jar regardless of where the ball ended up once somebody could possibly pin it with a player figure.
And I'm not sure why you said
" The rules say "If a ball is advanced by an illegal spin the opposing team will have the option of continuing play from the current position or to serve the ball. "Without any further explanation one must assume this simply means "wherever the ball is" and does not imply that a player can physically pick it up or stop the ball "wherever it is" (bouncing, rolling, etc.) and play it from THERE. That is, the opposing team can either "play on", or stop play and take it on his/her five.The only thing that seems in question here (but doesn't seem to apply to your situation last night) is how long the opposing team has to claim the ball on their five. Obviously, if they make a play on it, it is obvious; but what if they let it roll around and let the other team swing at it?"
You weren't there to see that, and I was right there watching. If you were told that the opponent was still swinging at the ball to signify continuation, that did not come up in our onsite discussions (argument). I know that was not the case because I was screaming "Spin"! and "Stop!". Our only discussion on the table was where the infraction actually occurred which set up the placement of the ball.
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edited by graykat777 on 8/25/2011
<em>edited by graykat777 on 8/25/2011</em>
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Casey Nelson Phoenix, AZ Foosball Tornado
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