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7/1/2014 Topic: Super Doubles July 25 - August 2! BillyBoy Administrator	zekefooser wrote: It would have been nice if it was the same weekend. Splitting into two weekends not so nice. ...You mean for YOU, right? LOL! We didn't expect many out of towners to play in this, so we tailored it to suit the local players - who prefer to do it over two weekends. That said, do you think if this were modified to a Friday/Saturday/Sunday format it would draw a significant number from out of state/town? We could consider doing that next time around!
7/3/2014 Topic: Interim League 7/2/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	Handicapped DYP ------------------------------------ 1 - Jim Sherman/Jason Collicott - $70 2 - Casey Nelson/Jim King - $40 3 - Scott Young/Travis Hubred - $16 4 - Eric Friesen/Don Henriques 5 - Rissa Salke/Holly Minnig 5 - Mike Sames/Tim Friesen 7 - Bill Nolan/Jason Williams 7 - Justin Loken/Brad Chamberlain 9 - Jason Collicott/Rudy Poterson edited by BillyBoy on 7/3/2014
7/4/2014 Topic: 2014 AZ Super Doubles Player Rankings BillyBoy Administrator	[July 4, 2014] Rankings for the upcoming Arizona Super Doubles follow. Rankings are listed by category only, and were determined by committee using various resources. Save $2 when you pre-register for your events at http://www.arizonafoosball.com/Calendar/default.aspx . ---------------------------------------------- PROFESSIONAL ---------------------------------------------- Bourdos, Nick Swan, Don ---------------------------------------------- EXPERT ---------------------------------------------- Billips, Tony Borkavec, Eric Chamberlain, Brad Chun, Ricky Cooper, Gary Crawford, John Deoliveira, Mark Dickson, Jim Doyle, Dennis Flores, Dave Garrett, Ronnie Guscheh, Wandad Hicks, Tim Hubred, Jim Hutson, Pat Kiger, Ben Lawrence, Michael marmelstein, rick Martin, Derek McLeland, Scot Mendoza, Michael Minnig, Jeff Mosier, Darin Nelson, Casey Nolan, Billy Oglesby, Ken Pianovski, Rob Pesce, Guy Reza, Dimas Rhode, Jesse Risberg, Warren Rooney, Noel Salke, Brian Salke, Rissa Sames, Mike Schachtschneider, Gary Scully, John serrao, chris Sherman, Jim Steele, Doug stock, joe Teeter, Chris Telles, TJ Valles, Johnny Waggoner, Marc Wettlaufer, Jeremy White, Harry Young, Scott ---------------------------------------------- AMATEUR ---------------------------------------------- Bennett, Perry Blech, Daniel Blum, Tom Cain, Pat candelaria, jessie Clayson, Todd Collicott, Jason Crum, Debora DeVoe, Jiva Duncan, Bob Ford, Scott Friesen, Eric Gilitiuk, David Gorney, Nolan Griess, Kyle Harr, Jason Held, Dan Henriques, Don Husband, Tom Johnson, Miles Katz, Jeremy King, Jim Koehly, Dion Lienhart, Payton Loken, Justin Loomis, Rich Martin, Dan Mathews, Steve Michael, Chris Miller, Mike Minnig, Holly Mitts, Bill Myers, Mike Nasser, Hakim Newmeyer, Rob Novak, Nart Oliver, Josh Pagenkopf, Chris Parrish, Danny Paul, Mike Plumb, Rod Poterson, Rudy Proctor, Mark Rabah, Rabah Reeves, Scotty Ritchie, Curt Savarese, Jeff Simpson, Steven Stath, Dave Stensberg, Tracy Still, Dave Storey, Mark Strong, Travis Stuart, Kevin Taylor, Steve Topham, Craig Turnidge, Scott Williams, Jason Wood, Adam Wright, Luke Young, Eric Zuniga, Benito ---------------------------------------------- BEGINNER ---------------------------------------------- Alva, Anthony Ardrey, Josh Ardrey, Sam Birong, Katie Brady, Mike Carlson, Melody Chamberlain, Zach Charles, James Coffey, Ed Coffey, Timothy Collicott, Steven Conlin, Amy Cruz, Colt Cummings, Daniel Destries, Jacqueline Doehrman, Doug Dukeshier, Kyle Dunlap, Trey Eastman, Rick Friesen, Tim Giron, Ramses Gomez, Lionel Gonzalez, Jesse Griess, Mark Hall, Katie Hawley, Peter Helton, Shane Hubred, Travis Hubred, Dustin Huebsch, Kyle Justin, Damon Koehly, Tiffany Kukulski, Dan Leary, Erin LeVan, John Ludwig, David McClara, Shane McCormack, Tony McCormack, Adrienne Mosley, LaWanda mouser, tim Newman, Dave Oglesby, Dustin Owen, Mark Palkovic, Wendy Pedersen, Bridget Pruitt, Robi Quinn, James Sanger, Nick Sargent, Rick Schultz, Mike Sirmer, Matthew Smith, Rulon Stirling, Lee Szymalak, Brad Trautman, Jon Tucker, Jeff Ventura, Lorenzo Vornbrock, Ben Wing, Richard Wright, Chris Yager, Tiffany edited by BillyBoy on 8/1/2014
7/8/2014 Topic: Little Sting 7/5/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	Roto DYP ------------------------------------------ 1 - Ricky Chun/Noel Rooney - $190 2 - Nick Bourdos/Eric Friesen - $100 3 - Jim Sherman/Doug Steele - $60 4 - Brad Chamberlain/Bob Duncan - $30 5 - Mike Sames/Adrienne McCormack 5 - Don Swan/Ken Oglesby 7 - Bill Nolan/Guy Pesce 7 - Brian Salke/Steve Mathews 9 - Jeff Minnig/Rick Weirman 9 - Jim King/Gary Cooper 9 - Holly Minnig/Scott Young 9 - Tim Friesen/Jesse Rhode
7/10/2014 Topic: Interim League 7/9/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	Handicapped Roto BYP ------------------------------------------ 1 - Ricky Chun/Jason Williams - $70 2 - Bill Nolan/Justin Loken - $36 3 - Jim Sherman/Brian Salke - $14 4 - Brad Chamberlain/Scott Young 5 - Bob Duncan/Jim King 5 - Holly Minnig/Ronnie Garrett 7 - Don Henriques/Travis Hubred 7 - Rulon Smith/Nart Novak
7/11/2014 Topic: 2014 AZ Super Doubles Player Rankings BillyBoy Administrator	Sherm wrote: This is going to be a fun event. Big Brad and I are going to smash every name on this list!! Holy cow, that would be an epic feat! There must be 200 players listed here. It would be incredible to even PLAY all of them. And say, e.g., that just ONE of these players lost to you 4-5, 5-4, 5-4, you probably couldn't really say you "smashed" every player. So, if you indeed "smashed every player on this list", I would say "Fuck! Did you see what Jim and Brad did? That was FUCKING amazing." ...Just saying.
7/14/2014 Topic: Billy Pappas Nearing Final Table at WSOP! BillyBoy Administrator	(To those who live under a rock and may not yet have heard): There are now only 25 players remaining (out of 6,600 entrants) in the 2014 World Series of Poker main event ($10,000,000 for first place). Foosball's own *Billy Pappas* is currently sitting in 4th place in one of the remaining 3 tables with a nice stack of chips! Check out the chip count, etc., here: http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcounts.asp?rr=5&grid=1052&tid=13665&dayof= I don't get the poker matches on TV at home. I'm planning on heading out today to try and watch the kid in action at a nearby pub; call/text me if you'd like to join! Bill (602) 751-8818 edited by BillyBoy on 7/14/2014
7/17/2014 Topic: Stinger's 7/12/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	DYP #1 -------------------------- 1 - Brian Salke/Jason Williams - $80 2 - Mike Sames/Holly Minnig - $40 3 - Bill Nolan/Scott Young 4 - Eric Borkavec/Steve Mathews 5 - Bob Duncan/Jeff Minnig DYP #2 -------------------------- 1 - Holly Minnig/Eric Borkavec - $40 2 - Brian Salke/Scott Young - $10 3 - Bill Nolan/Bob Duncan 4 - Mike Sames/Jason Williams 5 - Steve Mathews/Jeff Minnig
7/17/2014 Topic: Interim League 7/16/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	Handicapped BYP --------------------------------- 1 - Wandad Guscheh/Scott Young - $70 2 - Chris Serrao/Jacqueline Destries - $36 3 - Ronnie Garrett/Bridget Pedersen - $16 4 - Jim Sherman/Rulon Smith 5 - Eric Friesen/Tim Friesen 5 - Steve Mathews/Jim Dickson 7 - Jason Collicott/Daniel Blech 7 - Brian Salke/Holly Minnig 9 - Jim King/Noel Rooney 9 - Tiffany Koehly/Bridget Pedersen
7/19/2014 Topic: 2014 AZ Super Doubles Player Rankings BillyBoy Administrator	zekefooser wrote: So Dozer is ranked as an Expert?? I know you are doing a local ranking, and it would make sense if it were not for the fact that you have Johny Valles, Gary Cooper, Eric Borkavec, Tim Hicks, Pat Hudson, TJ, Joe Stock, Cowbow, JB, yourself, etc as experts as well? All you should be local Pros. Dozer has been playing for about 3-4 years, and hasn't won anything other than a few Tucson local tourneys, of which we don't have anymore. edited by zekefooser on 7/19/2014 Hey Zeke - you may be right about Dozer; I don't know him too well and just took a guess actually for his ranking. He did place 2nd in the Big Sting in a field of 26 teams ( http://www.arizonafoosball.com/forums/jitbit/messages.aspx?TopicID=1169 ) - even ahead of the Zekinator! I've been messaging him to try to get him ranked right for this event, along with Bankin' Bill. As far as where the top experts belong: that was actually the biggest issue in our "points committee". In the end, we decided to leave those guys in expert for a few reasons, but we certainly agree that the issue merits debate. For the immediate topic, we'd really appreciate your input! ... So, we've left the high experts/low pros in the expert division. However, as far as placing Dozer goes, it seems the issue is where we've drawn the line at the low end. You know many of the Phoenix players - if you look over the list to see about where we've made the Amateur/Expert cutoff, where do you feel he and Bill truly belong?
7/21/2014 Topic: 2014 AZ Super Doubles Player Rankings BillyBoy Administrator	zekefooser wrote: By your logic, you won the event so you should be a pro. Dozer played with Gary, enough said. Also, not like anybody would actually put any stock to doing well in a specialty event like that one. Look at where Nick finished in that event, does that mean he should be an expert? Chambie won Expert doubles at AZ state, which is a solid event. TJ and Joe are typically one of the better BYP teams. Hey, slow down, Tex! This is a non sequitur. Saying "a player who finished 2nd place in an open event with 26 teams and without a pro partner may be seriously considered for ranking X" is not equivalent to saying "anyone who placed higher than a player of ranking X is automatically ranked >= than X". It's a judgment call in the end. I'm simply saying that it find it unlikely that a true "amateur" could pull that off (especially in a "roto" event, where an amateur can't stay in the goal). ...Regardless, it's all I had to go on zekefooser wrote: ...the only "pro" players are Nick and Swan. If anything, make those guys Pro Masters and move up the experienced players to Pro. Unless maybe you give free entry fees to "pros" and you want to make it a very exclusive rank. ...sensible enough. But that was the point of our "points committee" - to decide exactly those issues. In the end, we opted as we did for a different set of reasons. Emails and forum posts tend to come across the wrong way sometimes, so don't think I'm hollering at you or something. LOL! I truly appreciate your opinion, and we're just trying to get everyone in the right place. When you really think about it, it's not overly difficult to approximate player levels with a few decent resources; the essential issue really comes down to where you place the lines between the respective divisions. edited by BillyBoy on 7/21/2014
7/22/2014 Topic: 2014 AZ Super Doubles Player Rankings BillyBoy Administrator	Thanks Rick. Let me summarize things for the lazy readers out there, and then cast a little bit of light on a related issue... SUMMARY FOR LAZY READERS: So, all things considered and after talking to a lot more people, it turns out that Dozer does fit comfortably into the expert division, and would fit into that division no matter how we "adjusted" it. (The only variation that would change this is if we decided to incorporate a "amount of time played" factor in the rankings. Currently, it is based solely upon playing ability.) As I've mentioned a few times, the big issue here really comes down to one thing: should the higher experts be moved to pro? (Or possibly, as Ricky implies, this might be modified to "should the low bar be raised for amateur and expert, but lowered for pro?".) Here, I really am forced to restate what I've said already: this is the point of a "points committee". The added discussion from Zeke, Casey, and Ricky are wonderful. However, I firmly believe that such a discussion is by far most efficient and productive in a different environment and not necessarily public. These issues need to be batted around and hammered out via real and active debate. I would love to have had you guys in on that, but at the time we had to resolve the issues with the committee that "signed up". I'm all for what is going to ultimately bring the most success, and create the most fun for the most people. If our current committee (Mike Sames, Brad, myself) would like to re-open the rankings debate and include Ricky, Casey, Zeke, et alia, that is cool with me. It may or may not be a bit late to do so for this event. You guys chime in and let's either do it right away, or at least agree on how and when we'll go about it on the next rendition. Casting of light: The following is partially applicable to the thread at hand; it applies more generally to issues here as a whole, but is worth inserting here as a bit of useful trivia. I am not exaggerating when I state that the active participation and response rate for matters such as this in the general foosball community is nearly non-existent. Whenever a request is made for input or assistance of any kind, whether through forum posts, e-mails, SMS/MMS, facebook, polls, flyers, phone calls, one-on-one conversation, or shouting in public (or all of these at once), the response rate is below 1%, and most often it is 0%. I do not know the reason for this, but I assure you this is the case. That said, in nearly all cases where such a request has been made for assistance or opinions, etc., to no avail, and when the time of said request has long expired and the applicable event is imminent or has already begun, THEN we get the input - but much too late. Just one example (among hundreds) would be the e-mail I sent out yesterday prompting players to pre-register for the Super Doubles to save money. This e-mail hit over 400 players in the Phoenix and Tucson regions. Only ONE person actually registered, and not a single person responded to the e-mail with any questions. Yet, I can guarantee you that starting Friday, many players will ask for the discounted package price, and questions and complaints will ramp up. It is important to realize that players as a whole have historically done very, very, VERY little in the way of participating in a timely and productive fashion to the construction and organization of the various events regardless of the efforts made to bring them in. So we are forced to do these things ourselves with little input, or they wouldn't happen at all. My point here is not to lament this odd phenomenon, but to provide a perspective to players which was probably missing. And then to say "Hey, your input IS wanted! Please get involved - early and often - to help with productive discussion. Do not wait until after you've lost your first match edited by BillyBoy on 7/22/2014
7/22/2014 Topic: Subject: Basic 2 Bar Series BillyBoy Administrator	the situasian wrote: Sherm, this is great! I just saw this. No wonder you shredded me in singles from goal the other night at the moon. Az is fortunate to have added a great player and an equally good instructor of foos. Looking forward to anymore wisdom you can impart. What I think is funny is how Ricky has been doing his own shredding from the goal without even knowing any of this stuff! Haha! Holy mackerel are things getting crazy...
7/22/2014 Topic: Subject: Basic 2 Bar Series BillyBoy Administrator	Btw, I don't know a lot of this either. But my excuse is that I first need to have a pull shot; to me, these lines just look pretty.
7/24/2014 Topic: Interim League 7/23/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	Handicapped BYP ----------------------------------- 1 - Brian Salke/Travis Hubred - $60 2 - Eric Friesen/Tim Friesen - $30 3 - Bob Duncan/Daniel Blech - $16 4 - Scott Young/Nart Novak 5 - Dave Gilitiuk/Johnny Valles 5 - Cowboy/Noel Rooney 7 - Scott Turnidge/Dave Newman 7 - Jim Sherman/Holly Minnig 9 - Rulon Smith/Nart Novak edited by BillyBoy on 7/24/2014
7/26/2014 Topic: Super Doubles Qualifier July 25 BillyBoy Administrator	2014 AZ SUPER DOUBLES - QUALIFIER 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beginner Doubles ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 - Travis Hubred/Dave Newman - ENTRY INTO SUPER DOUBLES FINAL ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Expert Doubles ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 - Brian Salke/Pat Hutson - ENTRY INTO SUPER DOUBLES FINAL 2 - Jesse Rhode/Doug Steele - $70 3 - Johnny Valles/Pat Cain - $35 4 - Ronnie Garrett/Mike Sames 5 - Bill Nolan/Jeff Minnig 5 - Mike Lawrence/John Scully 7 - Jim Sherman/Brad Chamberlain 7 - Jesse Alaska/Bob Duncan 9 - Michael Mendoza/Bill Mitts 9 - Casey Nelson/Noel 9 - Kathy Nethery/Eric Haberman 9 - Ricky Chun/Jason Williams 13 -Cowboy/Bridget Pedersen 13-Scott Turnidge/Dave Newman 13-Holly Minnig/Steve Mathews edited by BillyBoy on 7/26/2014
7/27/2014 Topic: Super Doubles Qualifier July 26 BillyBoy Administrator	------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amateur Doubles ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 - Steve Mathews/Holly Minnig - ENTRY INTO SUPER DOUBLES FINAL 2 - Mark Proctor/Jim King - $70 3 - Dave Stath/Jason Harr - $35 4 - Bob Duncan/Travis Hubred 5 - Scott Turnidge/Dave Newman 5 - Bridget Pedersen/Dion Koehly ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Open Doubles ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 - Don Swan/Nick Bourdos - ENTRY INTO SUPER DOUBLES FINAL 2 - Brian Salke/Pat Hutson - $70 3 - Mike Lawrence/John Scully - $35 NOTES: * Salke & Hutson won the king seat, but since they had already locked entry to Super Doubles as the Expert Division Champions, they were limited to 2nd place in this event per Super Doubles rules. * I left the tournament sheet at the bar; full results soon to come edited by BillyBoy on 7/27/2014
7/28/2014 Topic: Welcome Pomeroy's Bar & Grill! BillyBoy Administrator	Pomeroy's Bar & Grill in central Phoenix has jumped on board with Arizona Foosball! (See inside!) Located near central Phoenix just off route 51, this medium sized bar features all kinds of table and video games, and was winner of 2013 New Times "Best Bar Food" award! They will be hosting team(s) and sponsoring the next version of AZ Foosball Leagues, starting soon. Currently they have a Tornado table in very good condition, and will soon be upgrading to accommodate league play. Go check it out! edited by BillyBoy on 7/28/2014
7/29/2014 Topic: Super Doubles Qualifier July 26 BillyBoy Administrator	So, according to your logic, they should be pros, right? Nudge, nudge! Actually, according to IFP, etc., I believe they're amateurs. Why not leave it alone, Zeke?
7/31/2014 Topic: Interim League 7/30/2014 BillyBoy Administrator	Handicapped Roto BYP ---------------------------------------- 1 - Brian Salke/Daniel Blech - $70 2 - Chris Serrao/Scott Young - $30 3 - Jim King/Casey Nelson - $10 4 - Bill Nolan/Jeremy Wettlaufer 5 - Jason Williams/Ronnie Garrett 5 - Jim Sherman/Travis Hubred 7 - Noel Rooney/Holly Minnig 7 - Rulon Smith/Jacqueline Destries