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2 days ago...
BYP

Daniel
Daniel
Posts: 134
Still in Tucson just been busy and needed a break from foos. But got my table set back at home and want start playing again.
3 days ago...
BYP

BillyBoy
BillyBoy
Administrator
Posts: 916
Hey Dan!! We have them at Duke's in Scottsdale every other Friday. Check the "Coming Events" section...

Where have you been? Are you in Tucson now?
edited by BillyBoy on 12/13/2017
4 days ago...
BYP

Daniel
Daniel
Posts: 134
Hey guys when and where is the next BYP?
5 days ago...
12-10-17 10 teams hi-low roto handi Loft

age
age
Posts: 292
  • Adrienne / Patrick $90
  • Paul / Kenny $90
  • Mike C/ Jim King $20
  • Ronnie / Vivek $10
  • Eric F/ Travis
  • Tony D/ Tim F
  • Karyl / Del
  • Steve T / Rick W
  • Leanne / Stefan
  • Ash / Dennis

  • We split for second and first only because it was a great 10 team tourny !!! Thanks all for showing up !!
8 days ago...
Arizona Foosball Acknowledgments

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
Thank you for reminding everyone that it takes a village to make this shit work. I love this damn game. I will not lie and say it has been a boon in my life...it is an obsession. There is no such thing as healthy when it comes to an obsession. However, I will say that without Bill Nolan, who had to be left off the list due to you posting and the petulant attitudes of an incredibly small minority individuals, has been THE most important aspect of the sustainability of foos in Phoenix.
8 days ago...
Concerning Stinger's tournament on December 9th

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
We were informed late Friday night that some rather large changes are happening very soon at Stinger's. The owner was very pleased about his idea, but requested that I cancel it as they have decided to do some rather serious changes that makes it impossible for us to play. I apologize for this, but it is out of my hands. On the other hand, this means real things are actually happening and that the venue may become sustainable for us all again! Just kinda wish they would of decided to do this after Saturday!
8 days ago...
Concerning Stinger's tournament on December 9th

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
Gonna go ahead and start trying to get tourneys going again at Stinger's Saturday. Due to the problems they have during whatever the heck is going on there, I have decided to put the tables on free play mode with no table fee's.

I wish to at least attempt to get people back in the door for foosball even if the bar is not ready. In addition, I have made it clear to Dale that I may move the tourney soon in order to ensure foosers have access to our crazy need to play.

Not sure it will bring any of you out, but I will be there if you decide to. At the very least we can play free pick-up games and have a good time. Hope to see you there!
edited by JRhode on 12/8/2017
edited by JRhode on 12/8/2017
9 days ago...
Interim League 12/6/2017

BillyBoy
BillyBoy
Administrator
Posts: 916


HANDICAPPED DYP (GOALIE'S DELIGHT)
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1 - Chris Serrao/Mike Carey - $70
2 - Ashtien/Mike Lawrence - $34
3 - Jeff Minnig/Mike Myers
4 - Noel RooneyJim Dickson
5 - Vance Cornelius/John Scully
5 - Bryan Hendricks/Paul Freund
11 days ago...
We need to talk...

chambie
chambie
Posts: 561
Jesse - You are absolutely correct. The El Jimador promotion was one of the best ones I have ever been involved with. I was merely trying to state, not very eloquently mind you, that it is critical to stay innovative when promoting the regular weekly events. It is also critical that you must keep communicating with the player base and not just through this board, but call and text as well.

However I have no doubt that once you are back on your feet, that you take Dukes and Stingers to a new level!

As for the rest of you...Ricky is right, this thing is not as broken as these posts would lead us all to believe. I for one will take the high road from now on and focus on the positive and what is working.

Brad
12 days ago...
We need to talk...

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
Brad : I busted my ass for El Jimador. That event was not status quo, nor could it have happened without my efforts. Then I threw the $500.00 tourney right after it which was pretty much my pay forwarded as prize money which you paid nearly half of yourself. That is anything but the status quo. I also gave Bryan the reins to Duke's to let him go with his ideas. That is not the status quo, and certainly didn't end well for me while relying on the status quo. Seriously those were "special events" and I went above and beyond to meet the demands for it. So, no, I do not agree with that particular assessment. Frankly, the only manner this can be directed towards me is due to the fact that I do not point these things out habitually for everyone. I don't need "look at me" moments, I just need to do my job.

Yet, I completely agree that I must work harder at promoting fun at our events. Since, often, I do look at it as simply a job. I forget that it is that night of fun for most (not often, but I do). I try, at times, and then meet the fist punch of pain and distraction. This is not an excuse, at all. It is only an explanation. And not one worth repeating really, since I do sincerely wish to grow my vending business. It is an odd business, but also a bit addictive. I am just about the worst person imaginable for it at the moment, but I hope for that to change soon.

Bryan: You are a petulant child that fucked me over with your paranoia. Funny thing is, you accuse Billy of being paranoid as the cornerstone of your attack. Truth be told, I agree that it is a flaw of his that I have literally screamed at him about. Yet, you completely own that fault yourself. You left me high and dry due to your paranoia concerning Billy. You even took out the token mechanisms that you talked me into putting in due to a sudden fear that Billy could somehow fuck you over. Furthermore, you decided to say fuck you Jesse about the table fee's for 3 weeks (which is basically theft), and only paid them back after you simply came to your senses…I left you be if you recall. Plus, you left EVERYONE in the dark about the tokens themselves. And, now, you are attempting to pass it all of as my fault. Which, technically, I guess, it is since I agreed to allow you in. For that, I truly do apologize to everyone affected.

Yet, that is only the beginning. You constantly talk shit about Arizona Foosball and Duke's/Stinger's. You constantly attack me verbally about Billy. The last time over Billy being "your boy" when you have an altercation at Duke's because your team wouldn't "fist-bump" Billy at the beginning of the match. This during a fucking tournament I was forced to withdraw from in which I was supposed to play with Bill, all because a certain parties didn’t want a double draw or x-man. In addition, you were fucking wrong that I didn't compensate the only person that mattered (I gave Travis half his entry fee back), because none of the rest of you deserved any sort of money back since you won the game shithead, and Billy behaved like a shithead.

In addition, I didn't just suspend Billy from Duke's (the only place he doesn't go, according to you), I suspended him from Stinger's as well (the only place that is supposed to have tournaments but doesn't of late). Guess that was a conspiracy though…probably canceled them just because Billy couldn't go. I CAN'T suspend him from other events because I have NO authority to do so! Can Kenny suspend someone from Duke's?! Well, probably…if he asked, but not just because he wants to.

It works like this…Bill works with others to put on a League events. I am one he works with. Kenny is another. Conceivably, if you were not such a dick, you could be another. This does not make us part of Arizona Foosball. Though, I would happily be part of it if I could. You, on the other hand, have blown all your opportunities with Arizona Foosball, The Loft, and my events at Duke's/Stinger's. Thus, your only path to your personal glory is via the destruction of others.

Well, go fuck yourself. Buy your brand new tables. Start a tournament. Take the city over with your badass self. According to you and this forum post, you should have a hella easy time taking over the city with your brand of foosball. I REALLY don’t care. All I care about is that there IS foosball. I provide a service for only one reason, I love Foosball.

Pinalyzer- Not sure what you mean, really. The payment is pretty much figured out as soon as you know how many players are in the tournament at Duke's/Stinger's. I had a set system in the past, but found Brad's to be superior so adapted to it.

*6 Teams or less = 70% / 30%

*7 to 11 Teams = 55% / 30% / 15%

*12 or more Teams = 50% / 25% / 15% / 10%

As far as how much you get for third place, you got $15 you said? Meaning your partner got $15 as well. And that was beyond your entry fee? How is that not okay? I would even say that is high…3rd place is typically where I am happy just to get my entry fee back. If this is directed at other events other than my own, well, I have nothing to say then as they have nothing to do with me.

If, however, you are saying that the money earned should be higher as the rest of your post suggests…I can only kind of agree. I happen to be one of them people holding back time. Hell, I tried to keep a form of free play going due to my cheap nature! I don't want to increase the expense of the game (which seems to be the norm now, usually 1.50 in many places in the Midwest), but I knew that I couldn't keep throwing money into the pot if I wanted to keep the tables up. I doubt highly that increasing the table fee or entry fee would work for our local scene, so I had to do the only thing left to me…stop throwing my own money into the pot. It is still 100% payback of entry fee's, and from what I see, that is fair.

Ricky C- How can something provided to us be broken in the first place?! It can only be broken by people that choose to see it that way. You sound like a WeFoos commercial. Why would any of us really give a shit?! I guess once Bryan rolls out his tables and what not, it will matter, just really sucks that you are selling it already. And, no, I do not think I have the answers. Seems to me that only children believe they have all the answers. And, PLEASE TELL ME, how you are not able to talk to me about any god damn thing you want?! You are just listening to the non-stop nonsense! You could tell me anything, just like everyone else…and I will say, If you believe in it…do it! Ill give you the platform! I have even asked you to do this….so, guess I am a bit confused about your entire statement.

Slamin' Bamin' Duncan- Sorry, but I replaced the light the same day you posted. Lol. Yet, you are right. I am slow on these things because I am spending most of my funds elsewhere. I wish to keep foosball expenses limited to foosball profits, but that never seems to work out. A bar here, many a guy there, a light today, and many balls in the future. I have not had vendor luck of late and I am cheap as shit since I am broke as shit. I apologize and will try to do better in the future.
12 days ago...
12-3-17 7 teams hi-low roto handicap dyp loft

age
age
Posts: 292
  • Ronnie / Paul $90
  • Leanne/ Kenny $40
  • Rick W / KC Nelson $10
  • Travis / Jim King
  • Steve squared !!!
  • Age/ Billy
  • Sfefan / Vivek
12 days ago...
12-01-2017 Duke's DYP

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
14 days ago...
We need to talk...

Bryan Hendricks
Bryan Hendricks
Posts: 32
Rick, I don't know what it is with you and Jesse, but if you actually READ what I wrote, your post has nothing to do with what I said. Billy was posting pictures to Arizona Foosball looooong before you came along. Nobody has said a word to take away or discredit anybody's contributions, least of all yours. Everything about my original post stems from issues concerning Friday night. Rude? Asshole? Character assassinator? Look at the board Rick, I'm just saying what's on everyone's mind. And to anybody that suggests a more amicable approach would have been better, again, go read the original post under "a brief history". To say that I should have tried to address these issues and more before it got to this "level of disgust" is to say you have no clue what's transpired recently that has required a much more direct, in your face, approach.
14 days ago...
We need to talk...

Ship Of Foos
Ship Of Foos
Posts: 9
And Bryan, you are absolutely wrong and way out of line AGAIN, but that doesn't surprise me. I'm tired of the unwarranted and unsubstantiated character assassination. I know Billy can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but this is just absolutely ridiculous. I know you have differences of opinion and concerns, and I'm certain some of them are valid, but many simply are not. As to your last attack, Billy has called and texted me numerous times over the last couple of years as I have gotten more involved to thank me for my suggestions no matter how minor, and to tell me he has implemented them. He has even bought me dinner and drinks to thank me for my contributions. Nothing mind-blowing or earthshaking, but many tweaks to the fantastic foundation he has built under Arizona Foosball. In fact he thanked me so many times for all the photos I took at events and posted on the site or printed and hung at the venues that I had to tell him to stop, I'm more than happy to contribute my small part any way I can without any recognition or remuneration. I was so amazed at the foosball scene here in the valley when I found it a few years back and so happy to be able to participate and rekindle a passion I had forgotten about for around 25 years that it saddens me so much more than I can describe to see it desecrated so ruthlessly.
14 days ago...
We need to talk...

Ship Of Foos
Ship Of Foos
Posts: 9
Well said Mr Duncan, Bravo, BRAVO!!!
14 days ago...
We need to talk...

Slam Duncan
Slam Duncan
Posts: 16
Absolutely amazing to see this on the Arizona Foosball website. I guess I'll just go ahead and add my two cents worth since I know everybody out there is dying to know my thoughts.....lol.
The Phoenix area foosball crowd is one of the biggest and best in the nation. Period. We have a large group, a lot of young players, numerous venues to play at with different formats for different players, starting with rank newbies and going up to Hall of Fame veterans and everything in between. Pretty much something for everyone.
This group has been grown from the Combined efforts of several people....Age and Gary, Kenny, Brad, Billy, Jesse, Bryan, and a few that left the scene before I started playing again. This is just the people that are promoting events, either leagues, tournaments, special events, etc. This isn't counting all the behind the scenes people that have also chipped in to help...The people that volunteer to run tourneys, clean tables, stay late to hand out winnings, tons of unseen and mostly unmentioned acts to contribute to the cause.
In my experience, a lot of the negative problems that have come to light with this series of posts are correct - There are issues with table maintenance, lights that are broken or barely functioning, and tables that aren't brand spanking new. My choice to handle those situations has been to either jump in and help maintain the tables or stop going to the venues that constantly have lousy tables to play on. The Loft does a great job with table maintenance, as does Dukes. I have no idea how much Mary would charge for 4 new tables. I'm guessing around $5,500 to $6,000, not counting the shipping. Kinda steep price to pay so that the dozen people or so that are going to major tourneys will have decent tables to play on and tune up their game before the big events. There are also issues with the various personalities involved among the promoters and the way they choose to promote our sport. Different ways of running the tourneys, enforcing start/stop times, rules, payouts, etc.
There have been a lot of new ideas presented recently which may or may not improve the scene here in Arizona. The things that will ABSOLUTELY NOT improve foosball in Arizona are the things that were mentioned in these posts...fighting, lying, stealing, cheating (which was actually brought up on Facebook and not in these posts), character assassination, name calling, and complete and a TOTAL lack of professionalism. Really disgusting that our community is portrayed in this manner on a website that can be viewed by anyone in the country.
I can't speak for anyone else, but, in my opinion, all of these grievances should have been brought up at an in person, face to face meeting between the parties with the grievances and maybe an arbitrator or referee or three....They weren't. So, our dirty laundry is hanging on the clothesline for everyone to see.
Ok, what's the solution to the problem? Phoenix Metro has roughly six million people living in it. Tons of places to put foosball tables and grow a player base. If you want to grow a player base, find venues to put brand new tables and sponsors to help pay for them, find owners and develop relationships that will help promote the sport, implement new and innovative ways to create revenue, increase payouts, by all means get after it. That's what makes this country great...freedom to develop whatever you are capable of developing. The promoters that started in Phoenix have done a really good job, even though it has the problems that it does. Most businesses fail due to a lack of a plan. A plan to grow the business, make changes as needed that won't destroy the customer base if they don't pan out, a plan that looks at all the repercussions of decisions...and a plan that is well defined. If you have ideas and dreams without a timeline, you don't have a plan, you have a wish list. They also fail from infighting, sabotage, and greed. Not to mention personality conflicts of the major players involved.
I'm not sure what the solution should be...all I know is that the fighting and name calling has to stop....it's immature, non-productive, and does nothing to improve the situation...

Sorry for the rambling nature of this post, just putting thoughts on paper without a lot of sleep. So, take it for what it's worth....this post and 4 quarters will get you a pick-up game somewhere.....
14 days ago...
We need to talk...

Bryan Hendricks
Bryan Hendricks
Posts: 32
BillyBoy wrote:
Ricky, your last paragraph is exactly how I've been done this all along. I think you need to look a little closer.
edited by BillyBoy on 12/2/2017


Ricky makes such a beautiful and poignant post, and you come back with some empty rhetoric on how Ricky needs to "take a closer look" on all that you've done. To throw shade at ANY player for speaking their frustrations and sadness is reprehensible.

I would be stunned if you could provide a single email, text, or forum post where you express gratitude or simply acknowledge anyone for their contributions to improve foosball that you've actually implemented.
edited by Bryan Hendricks on 12/2/2017
14 days ago...
We need to talk...

BillyBoy
BillyBoy
Administrator
Posts: 916
Ricky, your last paragraph is exactly how I've been done this all along. I think you need to look a little closer.
edited by BillyBoy on 12/2/2017
15 days ago...
We need to talk...

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
I am sickened by this entire post. Not gonna lie.
15 days ago...
So what will stinger look like after remodel?

Jesse Rhode
Jesse Rhode
Posts: 115
graykat777 wrote:
Jessie told us last week that Stingers is remodeling. Anybody have some insights?


Gonna be blunt...I stopped in there last Saturday since I failed to remember to cancel the event. Figured I would practice on my own at any rate (Mike C. showed up though -pretty sure this is why he is now a proud owner of a Foosball table!) Anyways, It was my fault so I had to make sure that anyone that showed up knew what was up. Long story short, everything that was under renovation was still under renovation. I am not sure what is going on at that place. I do know there was some problems with a couple close sales, so that is PROBABLY why the renovations are happening.

In other words, I saw NO remodeling. I only saw the front bar still behind a wall of black plastic. The owner told me they are doing a bunch of work, but it is in areas that are not going to be visible to us at any rate. I suspect everything that is happening is to fix some things that prevented the place from selling. Though, I do not know for sure since the owner was talking about making some additional changes that would definitely be noticed by everyone and anyone (and most definitely included him as the owner).

Truth be told, I am not sure if Dale (the owner) even knows himself. Bill and I have discussed the matter with him extensively and repeatedly. We even went so far as to say we wish to move the tables to a different location to preserve Saturday foosball while promising we would bring them back if he decides to stick with it. Another long story short, its a friendship thing. Dale has been with Arizona Foosball longer than any other establishment. He worries that if we leave, we will not come back. Thus, even though he is not sure how he is going to move forward, we feel a heavy debt to him due to his years of continuous support.

I truly hope this open acknowledgment of fault can clear up some of the recent obscurity. Specifically, I am completely aware that this is a failure on the part of Arizona Foosball. Saturday nights should be a thing, and they were for a very long time. To be more precise, it is largely my fault that procrastination has been the answer towards Stinger's. Why? Because it was my favorite place to be. I don't want to give it up if there is a chance it can recover.


Sincerely,

Selfish Bastard


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